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[房产] 转贴:美国新闻周刊:中国正处于危险境地!

转贴:美国新闻周刊:中国正处于危险境地!

ZT美国新闻周刊:中国正处于危险境地!
  
  工人以数十年来最快的速度失业。汽车制造商在游说政治家施以援手。股市暴跌,很多城市的房价跌35%以上,有毒的资产开始给银行带来沉重负担。如今看来,全球经济放缓肯定终结中国三十年的蓬勃增长,给北京构成自1989年以来的最大领导力挑战。
  
  这可不是寻常事。大部分工业化国家如今步入衰退,世界还抱一丝希望,期望地球上最活跃的主要经济体可以抑制全球衰退,然而全球经济衰退的预警听上去越来越真实。理由就是:中国尽管有很多储蓄,有两万亿美元外汇储备,但无法回避2008年年中开始的全球需求下降带来的影响。尽管有人大肆吹嘘中国十亿消费者的崛起,但如今中国工业心脏地带受到的冲击将揭穿关于中国已经开始过渡到较少依赖出口和投资、较多依赖家庭消费的新增长模式的虚假概念。渣打银行经济学家格林(Stephen Green)上月写道,“我们也想相信这些话,但实际不是这样的。”他说期望中国的消费拯救世界于衰退是一个白日梦。
  
  以中国为首,整个亚洲都危险地暴露在外部冲击之下。自九十年代末以来,家庭消费占GDP的比重就从大约一半下降到35%。另一方面,亚洲(除了日本)产出的出口份额如今超过45%,比1997-1998年亚洲金融危机前夕高大约十个百分点。美国以借债为动力的贪欲与亚洲对自己生产的商品的极小胃口并举,反映了全球经济的紊乱。
  
    北京意识到它所陷入的增长陷阱。它在宣布中国第三季度经济增长9%之后不久公布5900亿美元刺激计划还有什么别的原因吗?多数人认为中国经济自此大幅度放缓。2009年的增长率可能是百分之七点多,而最新的预测加上了吓人的告诫:“或者会更低”。
  
  北京的刺激方案赢得全球喝彩,尤其是因为它显示了中国领导人不会坐视危机加深。但正如大萧条之初的华盛顿,政策失误会让中国付出沉重代价——特别是如果它们破坏中国经济比其他主要经济体更加倚重的全球贸易体系的话。
  
  然而,在格林看来,中国的刺激方案的两个焦点就是出口和基础设施,卫生和教育开支尽管被列入重点,但不会得到充分的支持。   
  要明白社会服务与与家庭消费之间的关系,去中国医院看看就知道了。病人要预交钱,到钱用完的时候他们就被赶出去,无论治没治好。根据世界卫生组织数据,中国投入医疗的钱不足GDP的1%,在196个国家的排名中排行第156。同样地,穷人的孩子不交钱不能上学,而且大多数流动人口没有任何职业事故保险。家庭设法把可支配收入的大约25%存起来,以防万一。这不是有益于胡锦涛“和谐社会”的社会契约。
  
  如今的风险在于,可能像大萧条时代的美国,工人会变成经济破产的弃儿。北京坚称保持8%之上的增长率对于吸收数以百万计从内陆农村涌来的工人至关重要。增长率越是低于这个水平线,就越多工人处于失业状态。然而尽管决策者竭力鼓动快速增长,却没有什么措施把这些工人变成另一种大军:有足够社会保护,从而可以少存钱多花钱的新消费者。
  
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明白社会服务与与家庭消费之间的关系,去中国医院看看就知道了。病人要预交钱,到钱用完的时候他们就被赶出去,无论治没治好。根据世界卫生组织数据,中国投入医疗的钱不足GDP的1%,在196个国家的排名中排行第156。同样地,穷人的孩子不交钱不能上学,而且大多数流动人口没有任何职业事故保险。家庭设法把可支配收入的大约25%存起来,以防万一。这不是有益于胡锦涛“和谐社会”的社会契约。
这点是真的哟.

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感冒发烧1000元,住院就是上万,这算啥医疗制度...... .

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想想那个因家长拿不出10元钱买药而用红领巾自杀的9岁男孩就知道了.真的是贫富差异太大了>.

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没关系,要相信党。.

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如果生大病,算你倒霉。.

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回复 1#rong163 的帖子

美国赤老自己老命不报!还要管我们!难道要世界人民陪她去死吗!笑话!.

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困难的时候,谨慎一点,手脚紧一点,无论对家庭,还是对国家都很必要的。在萧条的经济形势下,一味地扩大基础建设时不时合宜,有待时间来考验呀。.

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原帖由 小象棋爸爸 于 2008-12-4 17:08 发表
没关系,要相信党。
蒙了骗了,滴血啊.

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回复 1#rong163 的帖子

应该是很危险,别砸我.

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嗅到了危险的气息,但是没办法。.

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顾戴路/万源路的儿童医院,若小孩要住院,外地户籍押金8000元,上海户籍5000元,少1分不让住,看看越是穷越是被排挤,和谐吧~~~
这是最近正好有事去了那里,才获悉的。.

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教育、医疗、房子中国人身上的三座大山,当然公务员除外。在这三座大山下,老百姓很辛苦。.

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原帖由 小象棋爸爸 于 2008-12-4 17:08 发表
没关系,要相信党。


[ 本帖最后由 冬雨爸 于 2008-12-6 16:14 编辑 ].

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原帖由 文轩妈妈 于 2008-12-4 20:50 发表
困难的时候,谨慎一点,手脚紧一点,无论对家庭,还是对国家都很必要的。在萧条的经济形势下,一味地扩大基础建设时不时合宜,有待时间来考验呀。
钱袋子捂得越紧,经济越萧条,然后收入更减少,然后钱袋子捂得更紧,国家不得已出来投资花钱拉动需求了。。

现在的经济危机问题,不是货物短缺,而是产品过剩销售不畅导致生产无法持续。。

[ 本帖最后由 今天天气晴朗 于 2008-12-5 11:18 编辑 ].

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一声叹息,还好,我没有房货。
还好,女儿教育的钱已经全部准备好

还好,家人身体都健康.

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引用:
原帖由 今天天气晴朗 于 2008-12-5 11:17 发表



钱袋子捂得越紧,经济越萧条,然后收入更减少,然后钱袋子捂得更紧,国家不得已出来投资花钱拉动需求了。。

现在的经济危机问题,不是货物短缺,而是产品过剩销售不畅导致生产无法持续。。
钱袋子为什么捂紧,养老,教育,医疗3重大山,加上高房价.

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目前的钱袋子要捂得更紧点,谁知道哪天失业的人就在咱家里,指着失业去领那几百块一个月的失业金,买米都不够.中国不比美国,别人好歹有完整的社会福利,咱们只有如"个所税起征点不能高,高了会剥夺低收入者交税的权力"之类的若干交税,交金的权力都是从咱口袋里往外掏的.唯一可以领到自己手上的是失业后领几百块失业金的权力,.

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回复 18#huihui0409 的帖子

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对策很多,就是要慢慢来.

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原帖由 rong163 于 2008-12-4 15:35 发表
  要明白社会服务与与家庭消费之间的关系,去中国医院看看就知道了。病人要预交钱,到钱用完的时候他们就被赶出去,无论治没治好。
医生也要吃饭。医院也要赚钱的。.

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让你无处可藏
1. 存钱防老,防病,教育。 对策:降息,贬值
2. 买房投资               对策:维持高价,使得租金不如银行存款,70年后再充公
3. 买股票                 对策:大小非,IPO.

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不要相信帝国主义的谎言!

社会主义好,社会主义好!
社会主义国家人民地位高!
反动派被打倒,
帝国主义夹着尾巴逃跑了。
全国人们大团结,
掀起了建设社会主义新高潮!
。。。。。。

不要相信帝国主义的谎言!

[ 本帖最后由 我爱丹丹 于 2008-12-5 16:59 编辑 ].

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这个中文翻译只是有目的的节选,并且为了达到自己的目的,对节选部分的翻译也做了特别的文字处理。

英文原文: http://www.newsweek.com/id/170305

有兴趣的还可以看看原文后面的comments。

Why Beijing Is In A Risky Place

As the factory to the world, China may be the nation most vulnerable to collapsing global demand.

By George Wehrfritz | NEWSWEEK
Published Nov 22, 2008
From the magazine issue dated Dec 1, 2008

Workers are losing factory jobs at the fastest rate in decades. Automakers—having failed to anticipate today's sales slump—are lobbying politicians for bailouts. The stock market is a crash heap, home prices are down by 35 percent or more in many cities and toxic assets have begun to weigh heavily on banks. America in 2008? Try China, where the global economic downturn now looks certain to end the country's 30-year growth boom, posing the greatest leadership challenge to Beijing since pro-democracy demonstrations threatened one-party communist rule back in 1989.

That's not the conventional take on China—yet. But with most industrialized countries now in recession and countries the world over hoping against hope that the planet's most buoyant major economy might somehow dampen the global downturn, it's a forecast that increasingly rings true. The reasoning goes something like this: China, despite its deep pool of savings and $2 trillion in foreign reserves, is unprotected from the fall in global demand that began in earnest in mid-2008. Notwithstanding all the hoopla about the rise of China's billion consumers, the body blow that's now landing in the industrial heartland will debunk the notion that China has already begun transitioning toward a new growth model based less on exports and investment and more on household consumption. "We would love to believe it too, but it just ain't so," wrote Standard Chartered bank's highly respected China economist, Stephen Green, last month. He says expecting Chinese spending to save the world from recession is "a pipe dream."

With China at the vanguard, Asia as a whole stands dangerously exposed to external shock. Since the late 1990s, household consumption as a share of China's GDP has fallen from roughly half to 35 percent. On the flip side, the share of Asia ex-Japan's output devoted to exports is now more than 45 percent, or roughly 10 points higher than it was on the eve of the 1997–98 Asian financial crisis. When juxtaposed with America's debt-driven gluttony, Asia's puny appetite for the goods it produces reflects a global economy that's staggeringly out of whack. "We are where we are because of massive imbalances that policymakers and politicians have allowed to build up over the last decade," argues Stephen Roach, chairman of Morgan Stanley Asia. "Those imbalances were never sustainable, but the longer they went on the more they seduced people. And now we're paying the ultimate price for that seduction."

The tab, in fact, has yet to be tallied, but don't be surprised if Beijing gets stuck with the biggest portion of the bill for the simple reason that China's rebalancing act is actually much tougher than America's. For U.S. households, today's crisis means saving more and consuming less (recent consumption data suggests that is happening quite rapidly). Yet in China, where total household consumption is just 5 percent of America's by value, the challenge is to sustain an economy that's largely investment- and export-driven, which means finding ways to perpetuate industrial overproduction. Michael Pettis, a professor of finance at Peking University, says America found itself in the same bind back in 1929. "The U.S. in the 1920s ran a huge trade surplus and had the largest reserves in history to that point," he says. "So was the U.S. immune to the global crisis? No. It was the country that suffered the most. In that sense it is exactly like China today."

Beijing realizes the growth trap it's in. Why else would it unveil on Nov. 10 a $590 billion stimulus plan—a package nearly as large as Washington's $700 billion financial bailout—just days after it announced that China's economy expanded by 9 percent in the July–September quarter? The consensus view is that China's economy has slowed markedly since then. Year-on-year growth estimates for 2009 are mostly in the 7s, with the latest forecasts adding the scary caveat, "or less." This month the Royal Bank of Scotland said 5 percent growth in China next year couldn't be ruled out. China's economy, which grew by 11.9 percent last year, hasn't dipped below 6 percent annually since 1990.

Beijing's stimulus plan has won plaudits internationally not least because it indicates that Chinese leaders won't stand idly by as the crisis deepens. But just as in Washington at the beginning of the Great Depression, policy miscues could cost China dearly—especially if they undermine the global trading regime that China's economy relies on more heavily than any other major economy in the world. In the early 1930s, America's self-defeating mistake was to cut off world trade, particularly in the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act, at a time when it was the leading exporter in a world burdened by massive industrial overproduction. Today, China is the lead exporter, the world again faces massive overproduction, and the mistake Beijing must avoid is moving too hard to sell more manufactured exports at the risk of flooding an already weak market, and triggering a protectionist backlash. That will only push the global market toward deflation—the downward spiral of falling prices leading to falling demand, as stressed consumers wait for even better bargains.

The doubts about China's stimulus plan arise in part because it's all broad strokes with no fine print. Conceptually, however, it seems intended to split the difference between promoting consumption at home, and export sales. It includes commitments to fund rural infrastructure, boost social spending on health and education, and mount an "economic housing" scheme for migrant workers in major cities—all of which, if implemented, would raise household spending over time. But it also contains perks for heavy industry, value-added tax cuts for the export sector and lending provisions that will channel bank funding to state enterprises engaged in road and rail construction and away from private companies. "The two focuses are definitely exports and infrastructure. That's what we're getting from everything we're picking up," says Green. "And that the health and education spending, although it has been listed as one of the eight priorities, is not going to be [well] supported." Economists estimate that only a quarter of the $590 billion is new money as opposed to previously announced spending, future tax cuts and unfunded mandates passed down to local governments. There's reason to expect that much of the promised social spending—and the consumer empowerment it represents—may not materialize. One warning signal is that Beijing has entrusted much of the safety net stuff to the provinces, which historically have put a low priority on building schools, unless the order to do so comes with earmarked funding from Beijing. One new concern: local tax revenues are shrinking due to the economic downturn. Roach says investment in the social safety net would "reduce the precautionary saving that is inhibiting broad-based consumption growth across the nations [of Asia]," though he adds: "China has from time to time flirted with that, but they really have dragged their feet."

To understand the linkage between social services and household consumption, visit a Chinese hospital. At check-in, patients are required to deposit money up-front, and when that funding runs dry they're tossed out onto the street, healthy or not. According to the World Health Organization, China spends less than 1 percent of its GDP on health care, which ranks it 156th out of 196 nations the U.N. agency tracks. Likewise, poor kids can't attend school without paying fees, and most migrants are uninsured against job-site accidents at any price. Families cope by saving an estimated 25 percent of their disposable income, just in case.

That isn't a social contract conducive to the "harmonious society" President Hu Jintao has advocated since 2006, or so concludes a new report co-produced by the United Nations Development Program and the China Institute for Reform and Development. It calls on China to overhaul its social-welfare system to provide universal basic health care, education, unemployment and retirement benefits for the country's 1.3 billion people. It stresses the need to vest forgotten segments of society including farmers, migrant workers and the poor. And it claims that such expenditures—which it estimates would cost $55 billion a year—actually offer a bigger bang for the buck than would the construction of new roads, railways and bridges.

The risk today (and it's one that's already materializing in a mounting exodus from shuttered factories in Guangdong province) is that these workers could, like the boxcar-hopping hobos of America's Depression era, become the flotsam and jetsam of the economic bust. Almost since China's reforms began three decades ago, Beijing insisted that sustaining economic growth rates above 8 percent was paramount to employing the millions of workers pouring in from inland villages. The further growth drops below that level, the higher the percentage of an estimated 15 million workers entering the labor force each year lands in the ranks of the unemployed. Yet even as policymakers stoked fast growth with every means at their disposal, little was done to transform these workers into foot soldiers of a different sort: new consumers with sufficient social protections to save less and spend more.

The prescription for change has been obvious since the late 1990s. It includes balanced growth between booming east and lagging west; efforts to narrow the yawning income gap between China's superrich and everyone else; and policies that channel the massive earnings logged by the state-owned conglomerates that dominate China Inc. back into government coffers to fund social spending. Yet campaigns with names like Go West meant to spur investment in the hinterland never amounted to more than propaganda exercises, and a long-mulled plan for the government to charge state companies dividend on their huge profits remains a small-scale experiment. In October, Standard Chartered noted a "gulf between aspirations and actual policies" illustrated by Beijing's long-standing bias toward investment and exports, and support for "state-protected oligopolies." Pettis argues that Beijing's persistent mercantilism has prepared it for the wrong crisis—specifically, an external debt shock akin to the one that ravaged Asia in 1997-98, against which China's huge savings and foreign reserve pools would make it "superbly protected." Yet as with America in 1929, China is the nation most exposed in the world to a collapse in global demand today.

As such, Beijing finds itself in a fix as 2008 winds to an ignominious close. Export promotion offers a viable short-term means of keeping the factories of China running—yet grabbing more market share amid a global downturn is the surest way to incite protectionism. During the recent gathering of G20 leaders in Washington, much public emphasis was placed on shoring up the global financial architecture and defending free trade. Yet former New Zealand prime minister Mike Moore, who headed the World Trade Organization from 1999 to 2002, believes the backroom talks focused on the imperative that Asia not try to export its way out of today's crisis. It was "the elephant in the room; how China, and to a lesser extent India and the Southeast Asians, must become consuming countries," he says. "It's overwhelmingly in [their] interest to become a lot less reliant on exports, and it also does right by the people they represent. Not to do it could trigger something that's very, very unpleasant." Global trade slumped 70 percent in the 1930s, and any return to the virulent economic nationalism of that era "would turn crisis into catastrophe," warns Moore.

That presents Beijing with a leadership challenge very different from the one it confronted with tanks and soldiers in 1989. Today, it must work to maintain enough harmony in the global trade arena so as not to lose access to vital overseas markets, while telling the Chinese people that fast growth isn't their birthright. In essence, Beijing must offer a new social contract in which consumption bolstered with a social safety net replaces the export-driven growth engine that has powered China's economy for 30 years. FDR did that in America in the 1930s, but it took a decade. Might China's leaders fare any better? In the late 1990s, then Premier Zhu Rongji refrained from devaluing China's currency when many of its neighbors did so; the decision lost China some export momentum but gained its leadership a reputation for responsible global action. Today's leaders have maintained that reputation, but given the enormity of the economic challenges at hand, the only safe bet is that their helmsmanship will be tested to the extreme in 2009. Especially if the pessimists are correct and China's economy grinds to a halt..

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有钱多花、无钱少花。反正有房无贷,可保温饱。活着...等着春天来临...活着...享受美好生活...“面包会有的”一切会好起来的。.

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辣手的,原版也找到了,好象比中文版的详细啊.

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美国不了解中国

中国有共产党撑着呢,美国靠谁撑着呢,奥巴马吗,呵呵。.

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共产党撑啥?老百姓最惨,中国一向如此,中国百姓是比较弱的,中国人本来就没什么反抗精神,5000年如此,现在还是如此,你强能强过政府吗?美国不是靠奥巴马,美国有他的系统,他的系统出了问题,但廋死得骆驼比马大是句实话.估计美国是不会饿死人的,但中国就难说了.

[ 本帖最后由 洋囡囡妈妈 于 2008-12-5 21:03 编辑 ].

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国内多项经济指标数据剧跌


有专家指出,国际金融危机对中国经济的影响正加速显现,传导速度之快超过预想。无论是工业生产增速、用电量,还是铁路货运量,反映中国实体经济运行的多项重要指标从9月份起开始下滑,进入10月情况也没有好转。
  香港《文汇报》报道,国家发改委主任张平坦承,11月份国内部分经济指标出现了加速下滑的态势。经济形势之严峻程度超乎意料,这是促使决策层在中央经济工作会议召开前就打响经济增长8%保卫战的主要原因。


用电总量:增幅骤减 沿海最甚

  根据国家发改委的数据,前三季度中国各地经济还保持平稳增长势头,但是进入9月份各项指标掉头急转,最为明显的是衡量制造业生产能力的用电量的下滑。数据显示,全国月用电量增幅就从3月份最高的14.4%下降到8月的5.38%,10月份全国全社会用电量同比下降3%。其中,经济大省江苏、广东等东南沿海地区的用电量下降最快,令人担忧。

铁路运输:货源不足 车皮失宠

  与此同时,部分地区还反映铁路运输需求放缓,特别是钢铁、金属矿石、棉花、白糖等大宗物资运输需求明显减弱。山西前9个月铁路货运量增速同比回落5.8个百分点,其中9月份铁路运输环比回落5.2个百分点,已经出现货源不足的现象。
  甘肃日均申请车皮从3月份的3,808车下降到9月份的2,325车,10月上旬仅l,974车,而新疆10月上旬日均申请量也从去年同期的6,000车下降到4,600车。

工业企业:开工不足 亏损面扩

  与之相呼应,10月份,全国规模以上工业企业增加值同比增长8.2%,增幅比上月大幅下降3.2个百分点,比去年同期低9.7个百分点,创2001年11月以来中国月度工业生产增速新低。
  据国家发改委辖下的《中国经贸导刊》透露,事实上,各地方企业均出现较大面积亏损。广西9月份全省规模以上企业停产、减产占44.3%,两大化肥企业生产线停产,铁合金、电石企业开工率分别为30%和40%。陕西、安徽、湖口、江西大部分钢铁企业均遭遇订单不足或减产困境。.

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道路是曲折的,前途是光明的
我相信,但是不知道我能否等到光明.

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算了.............
太清醒不好.
捂上眼睛当啥也看不见.
堵上耳朵当啥也听不见..

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中国的银行不是美国式的银行,这就是区别,所以我们不可能会像冰岛一样.而美国说这样的话是没心肺的,一个没储蓄的美国,他提前消费的钱是谁给的,现在来说我国怎么怎么样?
我们现在是狠危险所以别让我们来帮你买单,也别趁活打劫..

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原帖由 YaoYaoMM 于 2008-12-5 15:14 发表
让你无处可藏
1. 存钱防老,防病,教育。 对策:降息,贬值
2. 买房投资               对策:维持高价,使得租金不如银行存款,70年后再充公
3. 买股票                 对策:大小非,IPO
真是没有盼头了,所以还是要心情愉快,不想为妙。.

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今天不知道明天啊,还是省着点吧..

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现在到处看到很多地摊, 老百姓都在自寻出路。。。。。.

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现在到处都乱糟糟的,老百姓的力量很微薄,能过好自己日子就不错了,其他的什么都无能为力,只能听天由命了..

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回复 39#fifteen 的帖子

呵呵,听天由命吧,天塌下来由高个子顶.

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昨天同学从美国打电话过来,正好听新闻说她所在公司大规模裁员,问她怎么样,她还好,不可能被裁掉,除非公司倒闭。不过那边现在东西非常便宜,因为大家都捂紧钱包,所以商场打折很大,羊绒衫10刀1件,很好的牌子,原价很贵。我问她原价怎么贵,她说100刀,我晕,原价只是我们这儿的折后价,同学说这大概就是美国人剥削中国人的吧。其实也算不上剥削,亏本的生意不可能做得吧,说明它还是有赚的。中国产的东西都这样,更不用说加税的舶来品了。
另外这段时间他们那儿化妆品免费赠送,当然和经济危机无关,开始我以为是人家促销,我们这儿不也有免费赠品吗?结果是人家化妆品公司官司输了,为向消费者道歉赠送产品(非试用装),因为无法甄别消费者,索性全民皆送(除未成年人),领用者只需登记一下自己的姓名电话。我问她是什么牌子,有Estee Lauder,Cliniqic等。我再次晕倒,SKII等在这儿出售的有毒化妆品也没见它有什么行动,毒奶粉事件够大了吧,又怎么样呢?.

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社会主义好,社会主义好!
社会主义国家人民地位高! .

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现在想想如果真的有什么大病,家里这点钱有什么用.各社会身体健康是第一呀..

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不敢想.

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美国人一说,中国人全信了。.

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美国人一说,中国人全信了。.

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中国有中国的好,老百姓自立更生惯了,再大的危机也不怕的,美国就不一样了,好日子过惯了,紧日子难熬啊。.

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回复 3#amy_lu 的帖子

同感!.

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原帖由 jianmail5 于 2008-12-5 10:00 发表
教育、医疗、房子中国人身上的三座大山,当然公务员除外。在这三座大山下,老百姓很辛苦。
同感!!!.

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