yingyinc 2016-10-31 07:51
不是所有的人都有机会听闻福音，这公平吗？
不是所有的人都有机会听闻福音，这公平吗？
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不是所有的人都有机会听闻福音，这公平吗？
2016-10-31 诚之 译 圣约眀道
作者：William Edgar
诚之摘译自：Faith Comes by Hearing: A Response to Inclusivism, edited by By Christopher W. Morgan, Robert A. Peterson, pp. 95-96。
William Edgar 给的其中一个理由是：
谁是神的子民？不是随机的回应者，而是祂以细心和慈爱去拣选的人。在永恒的过去，神拣选许多人成为祂的爱的对象。祂的摄理（providence）(译按：这里是指让人听闻福音）只是祂实现祂的爱的途径（means）。因此，不是所有的人都有机会听闻福音，不表明祂是不公平的，而是神把祂在永恒中所作的主权的、慈爱的拣选加以实现而已。改革宗神学从来就承认神要根据祂的自由和智慧，去拯救一些人，但没有要拯救所有的人的计划。的确，当中有一些争论。有些人相信神在决定创造创造和容许堕落之前，就定旨要拣选祂的百姓（堕落前拣选），另外有些人相信，神在决定创造创造和容许堕落之后，才定旨要拣选祂的百姓（堕落后拣选）。但就我们的目的来说，这终极的决定，以及其在历史中的实现，才是最重要的。而其理由，在任何情形下，不是机运，而是拣选的爱。
Who are God’s people? Not random respondents, but his carefully, lovingly chosen ones. God, from all eternity, has elected many to be the objects of his love. His providence is only the means to carry out his electing love. Thus, the fact that not everyone has the opportunity to hear the gospel is not an indication of unfairness, but the way the Lord carries out the realization of his sovereign, loving choice made in eternity. Reformed theology has always recognized God’s plan to save some but not all according to his free and wise plan. True, there has been an important debate between those who believe he decreed to elect his people before his decision to create and permit the fall (supra-lapsarianism), and those who believe he decreed to elect his people after his decision to create and permit the fall (infra-lapsarianism). But for our purpose the ultimate decision, and then its realization in history, is what is crucial. The reason, in any scenario, is not fate, nor chance, but electing love.
再次，神的摄理是执行祂拣选一些人，而不是所有的人的途径。从正面来说，基督认识祂的羊，知道他们的名字，会为他们安排听到真道并作出回应。从负面来说，祂已经决定遗弃其他的人，让他们留在我们都配得的地方。有些人无法听到福音的这个事实，就是祂遗弃他们的摄理途径之一。从感情上来说，这是很难让人接受的，但它只是源于这个事实，就是所有的人都配得死亡，然而却有许多人得救。
Again, his providence is a means of carrying out his purpose of choosing some but not all. To put it positively, he knows his sheep by name and will make arrangements for them to hear and respond. Negatively, he has determined to pass others by and leave them in the place we all deserve to be. The fact that some do no hear the gospel is one of the providential means of his passing them by. This may by a hard saying, emotionally, but it only follows from the fact that all deserve death, yet many are saved.
奶牛豆豆 2016-10-31 15:15
人会问这个问题的前提就是：不承认自己是有罪的、该有死亡这个结局的。所以才会觉得上帝不给每个人都得救是不公平——你给我这个机会还要看我想不想要哩。
但是，事实是：每个人都偏离了真理，都是罪人，都要面临死的结局（罗马书3:23 因为世人都犯了罪，亏缺了 神的荣耀；6:23 因为罪的工价乃是死）。
因此，每个人面临的就是死刑犯要面对的结局：终有一死，且要面对灵魂的沉沦。而这时王宣布要赦免部分人，难道未被赦免的死刑犯就可以说王不赦免他就是不公平么？
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